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07 December 2012 @ 11:09 am
Supernatural 8x09: Musings and whinings  

 Some quick thoughts about Citizen Fang and about my issues with Benny under the cut. 



To say that I wasn’t a fan of this episode is an understatement. What was that? Days of Our Sam and Dean? As the Supernatural Turns? One SupernaturalLife to Live? I feel that Citizen Fang was the closest to soap opera the show ever got, and it wasn’t pleasant. It was a weird episode… But then it’s a weird season.

I was rather bored throughout it, because there was really nothing I’m particularly interested in. I don’t hate Amelia the way a lot of people do, but I don’t find the Sambacks that exciting either. I’m completely over the brothers’ forced angst/ conflict at this point (they are both being unlikable dicks, and I hope the writers won’t drag this for long), and so far  I don’t care about Benny (they haven’t managed to make me care despite their pushing him so hard in and outside the show). I want to like him, and I’m open to him growing on me. I’m generally a fan of introducing new characters, especially of characters that give us a different, other than human point of view. Unfortunately, they are going about it in the completely wrong way, and they are making me resent him instead.

 I hate this bullshit Dean keeps spouting about Benny being the only one who hasn’t let him down… hello??? People are people, Dean, people are going to screw up because they are people (or angels) and they are fallible. You need to stop holding those close to you to impossible standards, and take a look in the mirror (I love you, but you are not perfect either). Not to mention that it’s also passive-aggressive behaviour. You can’t apparently forgive people for their wrongdoings, and then nurture resentment and spend years throwing them back in their faces. You either let go and move forward or you don’t. I am not ok with Sam admitting he didn’t even try looking for Dean, and I fully sympathize with Dean’s hurt feelings, but throwing all his past mistakes (which Sam has payed for – see dragging Lucifer in the cage and being tortured there) in Sam’s face like he did in 8x06 shows that Dean really can’t let go. And that’s not healthy.

 But what is worst to me is that the Benny/Dean thing doesn’t even make sense as it is now. Every time Dean says that Benny has never let him down (as a dig to Sam), my blood boils. Sure, Benny hasn’t let Dean down so far.. because he hasn’t had the time/opportunity to do so! In Purgatory, he fought side by side with Dean and had his back, but Benny needed Dean to get out of Purgatory; in a way he was using Dean, he certainly wasn’t helping him out of the selflessness of his vampire heart.

I’m not denying that friendship and affection developed between them during that time, but Benny had everything to gain from protecting Dean in Purgatory. Then, we know pretty much nothing about what went on between Dean and Benny after they came back topside, other than  what we were shown in 8x05, that is that Benny contacted Dean because he was in trouble, so Dean went and helped.

 Talk to me again of being a “brother”, of never letting Dean down after Benny has actually done something for Dean in a selfless way, with nothing to gain from it; after he has sacrificed something important for Dean the way Sam or Cas or Bobby have done during years of fighting together. After he has been at his side in a continuous way without ever making a mistake. Only then I’ll be willing to buy this oversold Benny/Dean “brotherhood”.

 Basically, comparing Benny and what he and Dean went through to Dean’s relationship with Sam and Cas is highly unfair, because for better or worse and despite their major mistakes, Sam and Cas gave everything for Dean. Benny, on the other hand, has done jack squat for Dean, so far everything he did with regards to Dean has benefited himself. And hearing Dean hold him as paragon of perfect friendship/brotherhood  makes me want to throw up.

 If Benny really is supposed to be this perfect friend, I hope they show  him actually earning this title during the rest of the season, otherwise let him let Dean down too, or let Dean realize how irrational he’s being, or it’ll make it very hard for me to stomach watching .

 Anyway, ok this episode wasn’t my favourite (it was nice seeing Kathleen Munroe again, even though I kept getting distracted by her having also been the real Audrey Parker in Haven, and Dani Rosen on Alphas). Maybe I'll enjoy this one better on a rewatch at the end of the season, if some of my issues with the way Benny has been used will have been solved. Here’s hoping to that, and that there are great episodes ahead!! Com'on Carver, I don't want to be disappointed in you.

 
 
 
Kiki May: Anya is askingkikimay on December 7th, 2012 11:13 am (UTC)
Bah. I hate Benny. I can't stand him as main character and I hate how they manage to destroy Dean's characterization in little pieces. Dean was the one - in the previous season - who killed that sweet girl, mother of a boy, just because she was a demon or something (I don't remember her species) and now he's all about Benny. Please.
francy_m79: hystericalfrancy_m79 on December 7th, 2012 11:26 am (UTC)
I have always wanted Dean to become less black and white about demons and the supernatural in general, so in theory I should be happy.... but the way they have shoved Benny down our throats(2 episodes focused on him in the first half of his first season?? No other character ever received such a treatment) and the supposedly "closer than brothers" bond with Dean has really put me off the character (rage on behalf of Sam and Cas).

Hopefully things will turn around later in the season, because if this is it, BARF!

And it is sad, because had they introduced the character in a different, less down-the-throat-shovey way, I would have enjoyed this storyline way more!!
Kiki May: Anya is askingkikimay on December 7th, 2012 11:32 am (UTC)
To me it's an awful season so far. I don't like Benny, but I also don't like Kevin and all the new characters. I'm not interested in them. The only episode I really enjoyed was the last one with Castiel. Stop.
About Dean becoming less black and white: in the previous season - yes, I'm repeating myself - he killed a woman, who saved his own brother and had a kid. He basically killed her in front of her son.
I'm sorry, but I don't like this character development. He seems just an incredible jerk.
francy_m79: casfrancy_m79 on December 7th, 2012 11:39 am (UTC)
I'm ambivalent about the season so far. I'm really interested in the mytharc (the tablets, closing the gates of hell, Crowley, Kevin - I like Kevin! I could do with less Mama Tran, though) and I love everything with Castiel (too bad there's too little of him, as always).

I don't think the way they are structuring the season works, though. It seems directionless (maybe it is?) and the flashbacks are way overdone and they are extremely disruptive to the flow of the episodes.

Also, I am disliking both Sam and Dean alternatively or even at the same time, and that can't be good.

I really hope the season is going to improve, because I had so high hopes!!! :( I still enjoy the show, though. For now! :p
bittersweettwitbittersweettwit on December 7th, 2012 11:44 am (UTC)
You described what I think perfectly! Im half tempted to repost this on my journal since about 99% of it reflects my thinking!
francy_m79: casfrancy_m79 on December 7th, 2012 11:53 am (UTC)
Now I'm curious to know what is the 1% that doesn't reflect your thinking!! LOL ;)
bittersweettwitbittersweettwit on December 7th, 2012 12:01 pm (UTC)
I find the Sam and Amelia stuff a little more interesting than you do :) At least its an attempt at something new and I anticipate them putting a distinctly supernatural spin on it especially now she is in the current day.
francy_m79francy_m79 on December 7th, 2012 12:04 pm (UTC)
Ha!! You are right!! And also, probably you don't even want to like Benny, while I feel compelled to try and (pretend to) be fair!! :D
bittersweettwit: Team Free Willbittersweettwit on December 7th, 2012 12:18 pm (UTC)
Well I am not completely opposed to the idea of liking him! First impressions count alot for me and Ive had half a season now to shimmer in my resentment so the writers would have to pull something amazing out of the bag to undo all that!

Its a shame as if they hadnt pushed the character so forcefully to the point my ire was raised before the season even started, and if they had introduced him as another distinct friend for Dean rather than making it a competition with Cas & Sam I may even haveliked the character *sigh*

Edited at 2012-12-07 12:41 pm (UTC)
francy_m79: on the roadfrancy_m79 on December 7th, 2012 12:55 pm (UTC)
Hehe, I was just teasing! ;)

Let's hope fot the best!!
bittersweettwitbittersweettwit on December 7th, 2012 01:13 pm (UTC)
The REAL cliffhanger of that episode was whats happening to poor Cas!!!! :(
francy_m79: hystericalfrancy_m79 on December 7th, 2012 03:47 pm (UTC)
The least said about that evil trailer, the better!!

Do.NOT. Want.
sherrilina: Team Free Will OT3 (Supernatural)sherrilina on December 11th, 2012 03:57 am (UTC)
Heh, I see you did snag the icon! ;) :D
bittersweettwit: Team Free Willbittersweettwit on December 11th, 2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
I did indeed ;)
Zugma: D/Cuglybusiness on December 7th, 2012 07:33 pm (UTC)
Ehh. *sympathizes* After reading your post, I (yet again) can't help but feel glad that I stopped watching the show...

But, maybe they're exaggerating Dean's complexes/immature reactions in order to give them some kind of resolution later?

francy_m79: casfrancy_m79 on December 7th, 2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
Hopefully!! Since Carver said that perception is a central theme this season, maybe it will turn out that the way Dean perceived his relationship with Benny was wrong. Or... something! Who knows...

Certainly you are less stressed than some of us, in your SN-oblivious world! Difficult times ahead for Cas, the spoilers say... the writers sure like to torture him! :(
Zugma: D/Cuglybusiness on December 7th, 2012 08:34 pm (UTC)
*hugs*

Maybe the realiziation of the mistake with Benny will open Dean's eyes to his mistakes with Cas and Sam, too.

Difficult times ahead for Cas, the spoilers say...

Sometimes I wonder, if perpetual torture of the character is the only kind of drama the writers know there is.
francy_m79: spikefrancy_m79 on December 7th, 2012 09:19 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I wonder, if perpetual torture of the character is the only kind of drama the writers know there is.

Sometimes I wonder it too. I hope it will have been worth it, at least... I hope they'll allow Cas to stay alive and go back to Heaven or whatever at the end of the show. If they kill him off 3672 times and put him through horrible things repeatedly just to kill him off for good I will be... not happy. LOL
sherrilina: Sam (Supernatural)sherrilina on December 11th, 2012 03:56 am (UTC)
OK I only just now watched the epp (I'm really behind on my TV rn, hiatus is coming right in time!), and god was out AWFUL. :s This season is horrendous, and it makes me sad that they extended the show too long to go out on such a bad, blah note. :( Everything you say about Benny is well said, he is basically a Gary Stu/special snowflake and it's really annoying. IDK how Cori people can like him, especially the way they make him supposedly better than Sam in Dean's eyes, etc. They are both acting like dicks this season, and I hate what they did to poor Martin, how random...:/

Oh no, is there one more episode before hiatus then? When does it air? My TV guide said TBA for 9 pm Wed...:s
francy_m79: soldierbaltarfrancy_m79 on December 11th, 2012 08:22 am (UTC)
This episode was rather awful indeed. I am starting to lose my inhibitions and just flat out hate Benny (for his Mary Stu-ness, compounded by the fact that almost everyone on the internet is gushing over him. Blah).

Most of the people who like him also like Cas, Kevin, the whole cast... most of the non-brothers-only fans seem to really like his addition, and I can understand that given that mindset.

What I can't understand is how someone who's brothers-focused can hate Castiel but like Benny, that's indeed beyond my power of comprehension.

Oh, well.

No, there are no more episodes before the hiatus. The next episode airs on January 16.

Edited at 2012-12-11 08:23 am (UTC)
bittersweettwitbittersweettwit on December 11th, 2012 10:02 pm (UTC)
Everything you say about Benny is well said, he is basically a Gary Stu/special snowflake and it's really annoying.

OMG yes!!! Finally someone else who can see why I can not stand having this insufferable character on my screen! Geeze the amount of dumbing down they do of both Cas and Dean's capabilities in order to let him rescue one or the other in all of his appearances so far is annoying!

What I can't understand is how someone who's brothers-focused can hate Castiel but like Benny, that's indeed beyond my power of comprehension.

The answer to that is many of them are hypocrites who are showing themselves for what they are! They claim to have issues with Castiel because he "comes between the brothers" or whatever...

But give them a non-Castiel best friend for Dean who is a total Gary Stu and a bigger bridge between the brothers than Castiel has ever been and suddenly these complaints are forgotten and Benny's wonderful ;) I'm not afraid to openly state my disdain for this hypocrisy! At least be honest that your dislike for the character is personal people and don't hide behind lame excuses which it becomes obvious are just that excuses :p
francy_m79francy_m79 on December 11th, 2012 10:21 pm (UTC)
You almost scare me!!! :p Haha

People have the right to dislike Castiel and like Benny. I just wish they could provide some reasons that actually made sense.

Or not. They don't even have to justify themselves (afterall I tend to not like/not care for many of the popular characters, for no other reason that they rub me the wrong way!). I'll just avoid confrontation and remain in my corner forever!

And please, can we get rid of Benny??? or at least let's make him less special snowflake, thanks.
bittersweettwit: Supernaturalbittersweettwit on December 11th, 2012 10:32 pm (UTC)
You almost scare me!!! :p Haha

Aw don't be I'm a cuddly teddy bear under it all *hugs*

Or not. They don't even have to justify themselves (afterall I tend to not like/not care for many of the popular characters, for no other reason that they rub me the wrong way!). I'll just avoid confrontation and remain in my corner forever!

I think you misunderstand me...

My point is not that I have issues with people disliking Castiel! Hell I have plenty of characters I dislike myself :p

What I have issue with is hiding behind excuses like 'he comes between the two brothers too much for my taste' an excuse while I disagree with I could respect if I thought they were genuine.

Then another character like Benny comes along and creates 10x the emotional distance between the brothers than Castiel ever has and these same people adore him! It's that hypocrisy that gets on my nerves and annoys me because it makes it clear they are either lying or just plain old deluding themselves...

As I said last time I'd rather they manned up and just admitted they disliked him because he rubs them the wrong way or whatever than try to justify their dislike with clearly bullshit excuses ;)


Edited at 2012-12-11 10:33 pm (UTC)
francy_m79: casfrancy_m79 on December 11th, 2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
No, no, I understood you completely.. and I agree with you!! But if those people realized that they were being hypocritycal then they wouldn't have those views in the first place. I think they are really not aware, or if they are, they simply choose to not care.. and we can't make them care!!! Also, they will never admit it on principle.

So I'd say.. let's leave them to their thing, life is too short and all that!! XD


bittersweettwit: Castielbittersweettwit on December 11th, 2012 10:44 pm (UTC)
Haha well I'm not planning to hunt them all down and make them see the error of their ways ;) But nor am I afraid of expressing my view in a public forum where such a person may or may not read my views on said hypocrisy is all :p

And for the record I'm referring in a general sense rather than with anyone in particular in mind :)
francy_m79: hystericalfrancy_m79 on December 11th, 2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
Hehe one should never be afraid of expressing their opinions, we are in a free world luckily!! :D

And for the record I'm referring in a general sense rather than with anyone in particular in mind :)

Of course! :) I've read many comments today, and in all fairness most people who like Benny tend to also be Cas fans.

What bothers me is that very few people see the problematic and irritating way the show has portrayed Benny so far. We will see if the Benny lovefest will burn out fast or if we are destined to keep him fo a long time... gah
bittersweettwitbittersweettwit on December 11th, 2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
Of course! :) I've read many comments today, and in all fairness most people who like Benny tend to also be Cas fans.

Haha that's cool :) And as I said I don't even care if someone hated both Cas and Benny for the excuse I used as an example above, I can respect that :)

And just wanted to get that out there that it's not aimed at an individual! Wouldn't want someone who my complaint may apply to reading this and think I was bitching about them in particular ;)