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10 May 2013 @ 10:53 am
Supernatural 8x22 - Clip Show  
People in general seem to have loved this episode... I can see why, in a sense... it had action, nostalgia, drama, loss, angst, etc It had everything, in theory. But it almost made me want to quit the show! Now I'm a bit better, a few hours later, but at first I was so upset!
One thing I'm really angry about is that they killed Sarah. I was spoiled weeks ago about her return, and like everyone else I was thrilled and I was looking forward to it, given that I have always really liked her (and I would have loved if Sam ended up with her. Yeah, right). I'm still so naive, I should have known that they would have brought her back for 5 minutes just to kill her off. Eff you, show. I hate you. No one wanted this, yet I shouldn't be surprised since the writers seem to not know in the slightest what the viewers want. Everything must be bleak and hopeless, because that's the only thing they seem to be able to write, and most of the fandom is sick of this game.

RIP also the Wendigo guy and Jenny.
Except for the Sarah thing that I will NEVER forgive the show for, I thought the whole Crowley-is-killing-everyone-they-ever-saved thing was interesting, and Crowley was finally very effective as the big bad.

If Sarah wasn't enough, this episode broke my heart and stomped upon it with the Dean/Cas situation, which I can't take anymore. The whole season 6 fiasco hasn't been properly addressed/dealt with, which is what they should have done in season 8. Instead of healing and rebuilding the Dean/Cas bond in a organic way they jumped directly to Dean having forgiven Cas and being all needy, with Cas conveniently disappearing all the time (also, you can't drop the "I might kill myself" bomb and never revisit it... these writers suck). Bad decision on Cas's part after bad decision, we are back where we were (and worse), after a season that so far looked great for Dean/Cas... so this is even more upsetting for me. Dean is rightfully angry with Cas, and hurt. He has every right to be. I am left to wonder if this relationship is even salvageable... how is Dean ever going to trust Castiel again?? Are they setting up the two of them being adversaries again in season 9? I'm not here for that, I don't want it, and I'm sick of the angst.

I'm sick of Cas always messing up, I'm sick of Cas always having to fight for redemption/forgiveness just to mess up again, I'm sick of the fights and the distance between him and the brothers. I'm sick of the misery... if the world sucks, demons and angels suck, if everything is harsh and hopeless at least let these 3 be a united front. At least Sam is trying to be supportive, bless him.

I'm also sick of Castiel being portrayed as a clown/child/idiot/joke/choosetheoptionyoulikebest. Everyone is squeeing at how cute the scene with Cas shopping for Dean was.... I appreciate the sentiment behind it, but that scene was so embarassing/cringeworthy. Cas has been around long enough to know how to behave. It was cute at the beginning, but now it's just stupid. All the other angels have no problems understanding human behaviour (even if they judge it beneath them), so I don't appreciate making Castiel the Angel of the Lord (I miss season 4 Cas and his solemnity and dignity so much) the village idiot season after season.

I am depressed.

About the mytharc... Sam gets the demon trials. Cas gets the angel trials. Dean.. bakes and cleans the batcave. As much as I love Cas and I appreciate the attempt to give him a storyline of his own, the angel trials should have gone to Dean, and Cas should have been at his side, supporting him. Many Dean fans are beyond angry, and with reason.

Wrt the angel trials... I don't trust Metatron. I think Cas is being manipulated and led astray again. I hope to God not, but since we can never have nice things and the show likes to be repetitive, I think this is what's happening.

The concept of the nephilim is one I would have liked to see explored more, but of course whenever they have a cool character/cool idea they kill it off immediately.

The boys were really stupid in this episode.. they find out they have a dungeon with chains and demons traps and all in the batcave, and they don't bring Abbadon there to try and "cure" her??? Such lazy writing... i like the actress playing Abbadon, so I'm interested to see what they do with this character.

Wow, am I negative or what! LOL I don't want to be, but nothing this show does seems to work for me anymore.

It was a good episode strictly speaking, considering the general quality of the show at the moment, but it just happened to have developments that upset me greatly!
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 10th, 2013 09:47 am (UTC)
I'm no longer watching or part of fandom anymore, but I heard what happened (with many people being angry about it) and I, too, am very, very upset. Particularly with the Sarah thing.

What was the point, really? Why bring back a character who appeared in one episode from S1, who is considered a fan favorite, only to senselessly kill her off minutes once bringing her back? The whole "killing everyone they ever loved" thing is so cliche and rather repetitive, since that is the entirety of the show in a nutshell. It was pointless to demonstrate that aspect by bringing someone back like that only to kill them off moments later, since it added little worry about characters since they already kill off most of recurring ones anyway. I also shouldn't expect any different from a show that blatantly mistreats women characters, either.

This just makes me glad that I stopped watching because I don't think I could've stood for this shit. But it's still upsetting regardless since I loved her character, and to hear that they disrespected everything about her after moments of bringing her back just, ugh. :(
francy_m79francy_m79 on May 10th, 2013 12:38 pm (UTC)
Crowley is killing "everyone they ever saved" (not everyone they ever loved), undoing their own life mission and every little bit of good the brothers have done in order to blackmail them and bend them to his will.

So the bringing characters back from previous seasons to kill them HAS a point, in fairness. It was done to raise the stakes, and to make us fear Crowley (so far no one took him seriously as a villain).

I just wish it hadn't been Sarah. I understand why, along with Tommy from Wendigo and Jenny from season 7, the writers chose her. They chose her exactly because Sam and Dean care for her, and the audience cares for her. It wouldn't have been as effective with a character that people didn't care about.

So I understand why it was done, but I still HATE it with the heat of a thousand suns. People really loved Sarah, many dreamt of her as Sam's endgame. This show needs to stop making its viewers completely miserable and taking away any hope.

I'm this close to being completely fed up.
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 10th, 2013 06:03 pm (UTC)
So the possibility of saving them/reversing what happened can happen, if the show chooses to? Because otherwise what was the point, right? Idk. I'm not really following the show anymore so in a way I don't care, but it still irritates me that they did that the Sarah, of all characters. Just, ugh.
francy_m79: casfrancy_m79 on May 10th, 2013 07:28 pm (UTC)
I wish!! Unfortunately, I think that those who died are staying dead! :(

And yes, I'll always be bitter about Sarah! :/

It all depends on what happens in the finale next week... if things continue to be this bad or worse, maybe I'll find the strenght to stop watching too! This show makes me miserable....
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 10th, 2013 07:57 pm (UTC)
Yeah, if the show is making you miserable or you're not really enjoying it as much as you used to, then you probably should stop watching. That's what I did and it was the best decision I made, for my own mental and emotional health. I now only see what's been happening from the sidelines because it appears on my dash on Tumblr, so I get the gist of what's been going on.
Zugma: D/Cuglybusiness on May 10th, 2013 11:20 am (UTC)
*hugs you*

it almost made me want to quit the show

Well, I have, and honestly I feel so much better without the never ending pointless angst that leads nowhere and serves no purpose in the show's development...

I don't appreciate making Castiel the Angel of the Lord (I miss season 4 Cas and his solemnity and dignity so much) the village idiot season after season.

...yep, and blatant butchering of my favorite characters.

Also, why support something as bad as what this show has become? The more viewers they lose, the sooner they get cancelled and stop. :)
francy_m79: on the roadfrancy_m79 on May 10th, 2013 12:48 pm (UTC)
You are right, but I'm not good at quitting shows. I stuck with Smallville until the very end, I am forcing myself to finish Touch even though I hate it, I'm still watching GA even though I can't stand it... I have a hard time quitting shows, especially when I have been watching for many years.

So I'm afraid I'm in as long as Cas is still there, I'm too invested. This will undoubtedly lead to more pain and disappointment, of course, especially since they are only capable of abusing the character, and pitting him against Dean...

Sigh. If I could stop hoping for better things it would be so much easier!!
bittersweettwit: Cas angel shoulderbittersweettwit on May 10th, 2013 08:22 pm (UTC)
So I'm afraid I'm in as long as Cas is still there, I'm too invested. This will undoubtedly lead to more pain and disappointment, of course, especially since they are only capable of abusing the character, and pitting him against Dean...

LMAO if my speculations are correct you're in for a tough time next season! I imagine that at some point after the show is over I'll probably go back and watch the last two seasons (assuming it does indeed with season 10) and get it over with in one quick go! But the idea of not being upset practically every other week next year is a pretty freeing feeling the more I get used to :xD

Edited at 2013-05-10 08:22 pm (UTC)
francy_m79: spikefrancy_m79 on May 11th, 2013 09:52 am (UTC)
I pray (to Cas) that you are wrong, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm not completely ready to quit, but I will see how it goes. I'm very close to being completely fed up myself!!
twisting_vine_x: Supernatural - Mary - Do Not Wanttwisting_vine_x on May 11th, 2013 06:44 am (UTC)

Ugh. I need to do an in-depth reaction post. But for now, just... yeah. That episode was all-around atrocious.
francy_m79: hystericalfrancy_m79 on May 11th, 2013 09:51 am (UTC)
It sucks having these thoughts and feelings, doesn't it??? Stupid, crappy show!!!!!! ARGH!
sherrilina: Boo You Whore Luci (SN)sherrilina on May 25th, 2013 03:59 am (UTC)
Ugh I was so fucking angry about Sarah as well, like really?! The oldest female character to still be alive, and such N awesome one at that? I wish they had never brought her back...it also only cements Sam's reputation as a literal ladykiller...:/ IA that the overall plan was great though, I liked how they tied in those silly books in a more threatening and meaningful way, so they weren't just a meta joke (although the sight of Crowley thumbing through them and repeating the "saving people, hunting things" line was hilarious). I really loved Crowley in these last few episodes, period--he got a lot more creative! (Also his line about HBO was perfect...we always with that when we are staying at a motel! :p).

Omg the boys were SO dumb with leaving their hostages alone..and the angels too, with Megatron. Guard the prisoner, people! And the fact that the boys do it not once, but TWICE, even after what happened with Abaddon...why would they even attempt it with such a dangerous demon?!

As for D/C, I was glad that Dean was mad and didn't say Cas had nothing to say sorry for--I mean its inconsistent, but the earlier sweeping of things under the rug bothered me more.
francy_m79francy_m79 on June 2nd, 2013 09:50 am (UTC)
So, so forever angry and depressed about Sarah. F*ck this show!

The D/C stuff is all over the place and changes depending on the episode and the writer. It seriously gives me an headache, and they are lucky that I am so insanely invested, enough to stick with it through thick and thin.