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18 May 2013 @ 09:06 pm
supernatural 8x23 - sacrifice | belated thoughts  
I have wanted to comment on the finale since the moment I finished watching it, but I have been in a very non-posting mood. I still am. I'm making an effort here LOL

Overall, I enjoyed the episode. It wasn't perfect, of course, far from it, but overall I like the direction it took the show into after a very uneven season, with more misses than hits.

What I liked:

- Crowley's almost being cured. Kudos to Mark Sheppard for a great performance!! I hope the partial cure sticks and next season we get to see a different, more human/less evil Crowley. I love Crowley, but he was getting old... this way we get to keep him without his "muahaha" moustache-twirling shenanigans.

- Kevin survived!!!!!!!!

- The melancholic Dean/Cas bar scene. I'm glad Dean's rage has boiled down a bit, and that Cas went to him for help (better late than never... even though I'm not very clear on why Dean was particularly needed here). We need more friendship and quiet scenes between these two... it can't just be angst and myth-arc related stuff all the time.

- The gay couple being the target of Cupid's mission was sweet. Heaven-endorsed same-sex relationships.. how progressive of the show. If only they stopped queerbaiting, it would be even better.

- The angels being cast out of heaven. I never saw that twist coming! Well done, Carver and co! I knew Metatron was up to no good (long gone were my illusions of him being a good angel, for a change) and I knew that the brothers and Cas had gotten duped again (seriously, enough of that... I'm one of the biggest Cas fans around, andI'm starting to be fed up with him because of his constant f*ck-ups. There's a point where tragedy becomes a farce, and the writers are dangerously close to crossing that line with his character..if they haven't already.), but I didn't expect that move on Metatron's part or for him to be such a badass villain. He's promising as big bad, if they use him well next year. He can also go eff himself, though. As Dean would say, son of a b*tch. You stole Cas's grace, among other things!

- The last 5 minutes with the batcave alarms setting off, and the angels falling like shooting stars was visually stunning; along with the music and Dean/Sam/Cas looking at the sky, it gave me goosebumps.
It will be interesting to see how they play the "angels among us" angle.

- Cas is human! Most people predicted that this was going to happen, so it wasn't surprising. It was the only possible solution if they wanted to keep him on the show (which shouldn't even be a point of contention anymore, as far as I'm concerned *lalalala I can't hear you, haters* lalalala). Hopefully now they will use him for more than 2 minutes per episode and more than a total of 5 episodes, and they will be able to use him as a proper character (with personal growth, learning from one's mistake and all that) instead of a plot device/tool. Please... they have abused this character enough already.

I have wanted Cas to fall for a long time, but now that it has happened I just feel said at the loss of his angelic-ness. And maybe because I didn't care much for how it happened, which leads me to the things I didn't like.

Things I didn't like:

- That Cas didn't get a choice in giving up his grace. I wanted the fall to be HIS choice, but no, he is denied agency again, just to make him even more miserable (and on top of that, let him also carry the guilt for contributing to ALL his brothers and sisters being cast out of their home. Ouch.)

- That the brothers didn't complete the hell trials. I don't really have a problem with Dean choosing to save Sam over closing the gates of hell. It IS selfish, of course, but they are allowed to be selfish once in a while. They have already sacrificed enough for the world, why should they always be the ones to carry such a burden and die and suffer? There are 7 billion people in the world. BUT I have a problem with the season-long (or half season-long) trial arc coming to nothing at all, including the people (Meg, Benny, SARAH!!!!!! ) who died for nothing, just for Dean to stop Sam and say "nevermind, changed my mind. Abort abort!" They should have had something preventing Sam from completing the third trial, some external obstacle... Sam still wouldn't have died, and I wouldn't feel like the whole thing was such a cosmic waste of time.

- Naomi's death. I loved Amanda Tapping in the role, even though she was bad to my booboo Cas. I would have liked to see more of her.

- The torching of Abbadon's meatsuit... NOOOOOOO!! That actress was the best, I don't want a change of vessel/actress.

- The Sam/Dean speech. Sorry, not my thing. At this point I don't care about the brotherly bond, and that's not why I watch the show. But despite that, I usually enjoy their scenes, but this one didn't work for me and made me roll my eyes/get a little mad. I liked that we finally were allowed inside Sam's mind/feelings, and I sympathize with his feelings of inadequacy... but geez, enough with this bloody codependence! Sorry, I hate it, and I don't need to hear the brothers (Dean, especially) constantly having to declare how they love each other more than anything and anyone and how they can't live without each other and what not. It's been established, we know. Also, it may come as a surprise to Sam, but the world doesn't revolve around him.

Dean doesn't make friends with other people because Sam lets him down, or because he can't turn to Sam...that's really dismissive. He makes friends with other people because he values them and they value Dean, and they make a connection, and a friendship grows. Dean is allowed to (and should) have his own life and his own relationships outside his brother (and so should Sam), but apparently Sam (and most of the time Dean too) seems to not get it. That's a self-involved and egocentric (and also immature) way of viewing things, and this unhealthy codependency in grown men is why I am really not a fan of the brothers anymore. Please, please, let them grow past this.

Also, wasn't Sam insisting some time ago that he had to be the one to carry out the trials because he wanted to live, while Dean didn't see a light at the end of the tunnel and so he was more likely to die in the process for not trying to survive hard enough?? What happened to that? Sam's "so" to Dean claiming that Sam was going to die sounded a lot like resignation/willingness to die to me, just like Dean...

- I don't like that next season there's still going to be something wrong with Sam, given that he is sick from the trials. Can we please heal him, and let him be okay for once?? Switch the roles, make Sam worry and look after Dean and his problems for once... yeah, right. I shouldn't even be suggesting that, what am I thinking...

- Several plot holes weren't answered in the finale, like who was the person watching Sam leave Amelia's house, and I'm sure there are many others....

Overall, I was moderately happy with the season finale. I hope next season is consistently better than season 8... I hope Carver and co do their homework during the summer!!
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 18th, 2013 11:28 pm (UTC)
Dean doesn't make friends with other people because Sam lets him down, or because he can't turn to Sam...that's really dismissive. He makes friends with other people because he values them and they value Dean, and they make a connection, and a friendship grows. Dean is allowed to (and should) have his own life and his own relationships outside his brother (and so should Sam), but apparently Sam (and most of the time Dean too) seems to not get it.

This is something that I feel the show desperately needs to get past, otherwise they're gonna be stuck in a continuous loop with no development on either side.

I often feel like this is something that has been reflective on fandom too, that whenever there's an announcement that both of the brothers are going to have separate storylines there's an immediate outcry that somehow this means they're not brothers anymore, which is absurd. The show will go in an interesting route for them to be independent, only to take that independence away to repeat this unhealthy codependency between them to ensure to those particular fans that Sam and Dean are always gonna be brothers, even though there really is no need for that because the entire show has been about that. And it gets tiring. It is possible for the brothers to remain by each others sides while having other friendships and relationships. The thought that by having independent lives outside of each other is breaking their brotherly bond is such a myth, and I wish the show (and fandom) would understand that.

I don't even watch the show anymore, but I think it's ridiculous that they keep repeating this whole thing just when they actually have the opportunity to expand on their relationships with others. Eight seasons of grown adult men being angsty and brooding and questioning each other's loyalties and having no discussion on the matter? I have no time for that.
francy_m79: on the roadfrancy_m79 on May 21st, 2013 11:51 am (UTC)
I agree with everything you said 100%! :)
sherrilina: Team Free Will OT3 (Supernatural)sherrilina on May 25th, 2013 03:50 am (UTC)
Belated response to belated thoughts, lol...I only just finally caught up on the last 4 epps since Taxi Driver tonight, lol (with a slice of pie, even! ;)). IA with many of your thoughts here, especially about Cas not having agency (I had hoped he would close the gates of heaven and simply choose to remain behind, preferring the human world now after all that has happened since s5--I don't want more angst about being cut off like in s5, given how much more time he has spent on Earth) and being bummed about the loss of Abaddon's awesome meatsuit--she was so perfect, I don't want to see a new actor in the role either, unless they can be consistent...

I actually didn't think Crowley was getting old, at least not in the last few episodes--he was so hilarious and on fire (directing the Fake!D&S, the contract, etc) I enjoyed him immensely (except for killing off Sarah, but I'm more mad at the show itself, fuuu Carver! >:( ). And I wasn't as upset about the brothers scene--frankly I think Sam was right in a lot of ways, in terms of letting Dean down (look at Dean's laundry list when Sam goes to "confess" but then doesn't actually). And the way he treated Sam over Benny, constantly rubbing Benny in Sam's face as better...eh, that was a dig at Sam, not just Sam not getting that Dean can have other friends.

Oh and yeah I was shocked at the twist/annoyed about those plot holes not being resolved either!

In any case, the last few episodes were some of the best of the season (which still giant saying much), which makes me think they really need to cut down on SPN's episode count. This seasons was so terrible overall that it lost my interest enough for me to not see the finale live or soon after airing for the first time since I began watching live--and I didn't even care. I sire hope next season is better.
francy_m79: casfrancy_m79 on June 2nd, 2013 09:47 am (UTC)
Super-belated reply to belated comment to belated thoughts.. LOL

I agree on the cutting down on the episode count. 23 is too many, 15 would be best, given the show's terrible issues with pacing and with balacing mytharc and MOtW episodes. It will never happen, though!

And while I think there were MANY problems in this season, overall I enjoyed more than you did. I wouldn't say it was terrible... it was better than season 6 and 7, even though I'm terribly worried about many things, and I don't trust these writers at all... and now Edlund won't even be there anymore. Sigh.

Prayer circle for season 9 to do justice to human!Cas, and not just turning him into the butt of lame-ass jokes.